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The Fix Is In For Leaky Library Roof

The cost of replacing the library's upper roof is estimated at $100,000

 

After years of dealing with chronic leaks that have disrupted operations and grown progressively worse over time, the Fair Lawn library received assurance this week that it would soon get a new roof.

It just won't be fitted with solar panels or come free of charge as borough council had previously hoped.

Admonished by the borough manager Tuesday that replacement of the library's upper roof could wait no longer, council agreed to forego the installation of solar panels on the new roof for the time being and move ahead with the project.

Councilman Ed Trawinski had been pushing for the solar option for close to a year, but relented after hearing the tenuous condition of the library's upper roof.

“The reason I suggested the solar option is my experience at the county tells me that most of the solar providers are willing...to fix your roof and or reinforce it at no cost to you, if you do the solar deal," he said. "But if the situation is so bad that it literally is leaking then I don’t think we should wait."

For the past year, council has been discussing the replacement of the upper portion of the library's two-tiered roof, and even bonded $100,000 to pay for it. But the project had been held up for months while the solar option was being looked into.

However, borough manager Tom Metzler, who took over in January, said he found no evidence that an investigation into installing solar panels was made.

"To be honest, I’ve gone through the notes that are in the office, and I wish I could tell you I know what the solar option is, but I don’t," he said Tuesday. "What I do know is the roof is leaking worse and it has to be replaced. And I’m looking for permission to move forward."

Metzler said the library's director, Tim Murphy, had expressed concern that if the roof wasn't replaced soon, it could spell serious damage.

As it is, the library was overwhelmed with water this August when Hurricane Irene swept through town.

"It got trashed," Murphy said at the time. "It leaked in places it hadn't ever before."

The heavy rain forced the library to close for multiple days this fall, damaged a computer and monitor, and soaked the reference level (Level D) rug. 

About 95 percent of the library’s damage following the hurricane came on its D Level -- where water typically gets in -- but some water also made its way down to the circulation desk on Level B. Fortunately, the library's collection was not harmed.

Although the situation with the library's lower roof isn't as dire, Metzler said it's also leaking and in need of replacement. The good news, he said, is that he would gladly pursue the solar option for that roof, whose replacement cost is also estimated at $100,000.

The borough engineer is currently in the process of reviewing the upper roof's specifications and will put the job out for bid shortly. It will likely be another six weeks before bids to replace that roof are received, reviewed and awarded, Metzler said.

Related Topics: Solar Panels, fair lawn library, fair lawn library leak, fair lawn library roof, fair lawn library roof repairs, leaky roof library, and solar panels roof repair

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6:46 am on Friday, February 10, 2012

Close the library..Period!

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Stuart Pace

8:07 am on Friday, February 10, 2012

Charge a buck a book until the repair money is paid back.

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FL1985

10:18 am on Friday, February 10, 2012

Why stop the move for solar? Why not investigate the possibility of solar providers which may be willing to fix the roof and and reinforce it at no cost to the town. If you are starting from square one, then look into all options.

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Stuart Pace

10:27 am on Friday, February 10, 2012

I met with a company last summer that would install the roof for free on borough buildings when installing the solar panels.

FL1985

10:20 am on Friday, February 10, 2012

And in the mean time, by all means, charge the buck per rental that Mr Pace suggested.

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Marty Cone

2:38 pm on Friday, February 10, 2012

If you cant afford to pay a buck, bring in 1 shingle.

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Tommy P

3:19 pm on Friday, February 10, 2012

we should just auction off the building and use the proceeds to pay down our debt.

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Go Figure

3:42 pm on Friday, February 10, 2012

My question is WHO was supposed to be investigating. My guess is that it was the last manager who was so well qualified and kept telling the council that he was looking into it. Sad day for residents. Once again we have to pay when there might have been another way to finance this roof.

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Stuart Pace

3:52 pm on Friday, February 10, 2012

Kindle and tablets will be replacing the library, probably within the next 5 years. We will be spending $100 thousand for a building with a short remaining lifespan.

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Tommy P

4:15 pm on Friday, February 10, 2012

The solar scam only works by stealing from people not using by over charging those who do. With natural gas prices falling and RGGI getting smaller, people with solar panels either are locked into higher rates then everyone else or never recoup thier investment.

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FL1985

5:27 pm on Friday, February 10, 2012

I have solar water heater and solar PV for the whole house... I love it. I am perfectly on track to begin showing a profit in year 6 after my install (and that is conservative).

BellairBerdan

7:33 am on Saturday, February 11, 2012

It seems that the flyer sent before the election was right. Republicans, err sorry, "Independants" DO want to close the free public library.

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8:51 am on Saturday, February 11, 2012

Berdan where un this article do you deduct this assumption?

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BellairBerdan

10:28 am on Saturday, February 11, 2012

From the comments, including your own, Adolf Little Moustache.

Stuart Pace

10:44 am on Saturday, February 11, 2012

Stating a fact bell air. The library will be a medical professional building before you know it. Unless it becomes self sustaining.....a buck a book. Seems reasonable to me.

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BellairBerdan

2:08 pm on Saturday, February 11, 2012

I was stating a fact too. That was proven by you, Adolf, Thomas, and Bruce. What proves your fact?

Tommy P

11:12 am on Saturday, February 11, 2012

@Stuart I don't think it's reasonable for each person In town is paying $65 on average when the vast majority of people don't use the library.

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FL1985

11:14 am on Saturday, February 11, 2012

Where does the $65 figure come from?

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Stuart Pace

1:00 pm on Saturday, February 11, 2012

@ Thomas. I don't use the library. Not that I want to see it go away. But its 2012. Everything I need is online. What kid needs to do research at the library anymore? I am sorry it is heading this way, but technology is changing everything.

FL1985

11:12 am on Saturday, February 11, 2012

It may not be the town's to sell. It would all depend on the covenant that was established when Maurice M Pine and the trustees deeded the property. Although I would personally not mind charging, it would probably render the library ineligible for membership in the Bergen County Cooperative Library System. which would not be too good in the broad scheme of things. I use and love having a library. If you do not think you community needs one read this article (http://www.nybooks.com/blogs/nyrblog/2011/may/18/country-without-libraries/?) oh and also, you would be able to stop comparing Fair Lawn to any other community in the area. I'd love to hear your local Realtor sell a prospective buyer this line.

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Stuart Pace

2:29 pm on Saturday, February 11, 2012

Its technology baby. Land line phones are slowly going away, cable TV will be streamed eventually, the Model T ford will eventually disappear..it's inevitable. The "free" public library will suffer the same fate. Its sad, but true.

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FL1985

5:37 pm on Saturday, February 11, 2012

Mr. Pace, you say slowly, and the emphases must be put on this. Google estimates that 129,864,880 different books exist in the world, and it claims to have digitized 15 million of them—or about 12 percent. Not enough for me to want to close the library. I would point you to this http://chronicle.com/article/5-Myths-About-the-Information/127105/

Tommy P

3:06 pm on Saturday, February 11, 2012

@fl1985. I read the figure in an article on another site, however, the stat is either completely wrong or outdated. As of the 2010 Census, 32,457 people live in Fair Lawn. According to the borough website, we spent $2,284,932. Which is almost three times as much at $180.16 for every man woman and child.

As for deed restrictions, if they do exist, we should not repair the roof and turn the property back over to the trust along with a muni tax bill.

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FL1985

5:28 pm on Saturday, February 11, 2012

Well, $2,208,490 was the 2011. However, I am sure there is state aid and federal programs that reduces that number further. But you should check for yourself how much you pay, as of 2011 the library tax is a separate line item on your tax roll. http://www.northjersey.com/news/118895204_Spending_on_libraries_now_on_tax_bills.html

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BellairBerdan

5:48 pm on Saturday, February 11, 2012

We're on to the "I don't use it so no one else should need it" argument. God bless you if all you need is on the internet and you're fine with your searches being limited by whoever pays enough to place their product first. You'll never understand how helpful a librarian is in one's research, both as a child and adult. The lessons learned of sharing, lending, borrowing, the responsibility of keeping something in good condition so someone else can use it after you and the punishments for not returning things on time are lost to you.

But all you boys seem to be on the same page on so many things. Let's for a minute say you all got your way. There's no more library, pool, community center, public education, recycling, or activities for children. What makes Fair Lawn desirable to people looking to buy a home? What would make people want our 60+ year old housing stock of mediocre cape cods and splits? Would it be our business friendly environment and proximity to nail salons, tattoo parlors and a Shop Rite with a broken people mover?

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Bruce Knuckle

6:14 pm on Saturday, February 11, 2012

BellairBerdan, my way isnt to get rid of all those things, so dont make false assumptions. I believe your questions of: What makes Fair Lawn desirable to people looking to buy a home? What would make people want our 60+ year old housing stock of mediocre cape cods and splits? Would it be our business friendly environment and proximity to nail salons, tattoo parlors and a Shop Rite with a broken people mover?
should be pointed at your pals from the past and present councils. So thanks for agreeing with :us boys" Adolpho was correct is pointing out your political prostitution.You are part of the problem taking FL down the wrong path, as proven by listing a broken people mover as a reason not to come to Fair Lawn. Get real

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Stuart Pace

7:13 pm on Saturday, February 11, 2012

I never said get rid of the library. I maintain that a buck a book is a reasonable price to check out a book. Gotta pay to use Memorial, why not pay for a book?

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Bruce Knuckle

8:09 pm on Saturday, February 11, 2012

Those flapping their gums like BelairBerdan would never want a buck a book. If that happened, it would be well documented , just how few people use the library.

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BellairBerdan

11:43 pm on Saturday, February 11, 2012

Bruce, do you realize that every book checked in and out is already documented. That's how they keep track of them!

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Bruce Knuckle

10:31 am on Sunday, February 12, 2012

Then I am even more convinced that number isnt coming out because it is very low. Usage will dictate the need.

Tommy P

7:45 pm on Saturday, February 11, 2012

@Stuart why should we fund a company that competes with Amazon and Barnes and Nobels? $2.2 million a year + the loss of a large ratable and retirement benefits for years to come. What a waste!! It's almost as bad as the 70,000,000 gallons of water we pump into the Passiac River loaded up with chlorine and other chemicals.

@BellairBerdan, just because it's a good idea for the town to do things like fund emergency services and education, it doesn't mean everything it funds is worthwhile, nor does it mean it's done well. I'm tired of politicians telling us about the wonderful things they get us and then run and hide when we get the bill. If I got together with a few neighbors and wanted a town zoo, should everyone else be forced to buy the land, pay for the donkeys and elephants, their care, etc? Of course not. The library, the pool which excludes those who don't pay the extra tax to use it, and community center, are all complete wastes of money. Money taken from property owners in Fair Lawn under threat of violence.

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BellairBerdan

12:03 am on Sunday, February 12, 2012

"Money taken from property owners in Fair Lawn under threat of violence." You need to stop drinking that tea. It's making you irrational.

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Tommy P

9:40 am on Sunday, February 12, 2012

@BeelairBerdan I'm not sure how that is irrational, it's no secret that if you don't pay property tax the town will place a lien on you property. If you don't pay that lien they will eventually foreclose. After they foreclose, when a police officer shows up with a gun if you don't leave there will be violence. So yes, property taxes are collected under threat of violence.

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BellairBerdan

12:40 pm on Sunday, February 12, 2012

Thomas, I have to admit it is difficult to argue with that logic. All I can say is please don't drop your laptop. It will crash the power grid, the milk will spoil, someone will drink it, become a zombie, and begin the zombie apocalypse which will end the world.

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Tommy P

3:54 pm on Sunday, February 12, 2012

@BellairBerdan what a non sequitur! Your attempt to belittle a very valid point highlights what's wrong with political discussions in this country. Your analogy is absurd and has no basis in fact. My statement about the library be funded under threat of violence is well founded. If you wish to advocate government theft, just come out and say it.

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BellairBerdan

7:56 pm on Sunday, February 12, 2012

Thomas, the real problem with political discussions is that people with insane viewpoints are coddled and allowed to think they're valid. If you think that the library is funded under the threat of violence you have serious issues that go beyond political.

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Tommy P

8:34 pm on Sunday, February 12, 2012

BellairBerdan considering at 6:55 pm on Wednesday, January 11, 2012 on this very site you admitted to having a libertarian in you, I find it ironic that you challenge one of the core principals of libertarianism. I'm not asking to have my views coddled, I'm just sharing them in a public forum. My views maybe a little "old school" but they are based on the very principals our country was founded on.

Interestingly enough, some of the out of towners may not know this, but there is no corner of Bellair and Berdan and only one property is on both, Fair Lawn High School. Are you employed by the Taxpayers?

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BellairBerdan

1:03 pm on Monday, February 13, 2012

Thomas, thanks for stalking me. Really. I appreciate it and feel special. But your views are not old school. They're NO school. They are not based on the principles the country was founded on at all. If you went to a library and really did some research you may find out that the first public lending library in the United States was started by Benjamin Franklin.

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Tommy P

5:38 pm on Monday, February 13, 2012

@BellairBerdan don't feel special, I wasn't stalking you. I used an archaic thing call research. Used some google tricks not taught at public libraries, and there your libertarian comment was, front and center, it took the better part of 20 seconds.

You are right Ben Franklin started a library, incidentally, no tax dollars were used to start it. It was all private money. If you'd like a library, you pay for it, don't send the government to steal from me for your benefit.

Our founding fathers believed in volunteerism, the cornerstone of libertarian philosophy. I guess your government education didn't highlight that. I suggest you actually read some of the works of our founders, including Common Sense which is widely accepted as the first to call for independence from Great Britain.

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BellairBerdan

8:14 pm on Monday, February 13, 2012

No Thomas, I really appreciate that instead of trying to defend your view you decided to try and find some personal dirt on me instead. What a patriot you are! But then again, you also wanted to take away the right to vote on what happens to our tax dollars and you think businesses have no interest in politics AND you think the library is funded under threat of violence.

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Tommy P

8:54 am on Tuesday, February 14, 2012

You attempted to belittle my point of view in a condescending baseless way, I then used your own words (with a reference) describing yourself and now that is considered personal dirt?  I'm having a hard time following your "logic".

My views on education are not about rescinding your vote, just because parents get to select schools and the private sector gets to compete on a level playing field doesn't preclude standards, it doesn't preclude the voters from setting the rate of the vouchers, nor voting for a board of Ed which sets objective minimum standards.

I'll ask again, are you employed by the tax payers?  Are you trying to protect above market compensation?

As for the library, they now break out the cost on the tax bill.  Opt out, short pay the bill in that amount.  You may get your picture in handcuffs on this very site.  When the mob collects protection money, they don't show up with a gun and start smashing heads, it's implied.  When the tax collector sends a bill it doesn't say the police will remove you from "your" property if you don't pay.  Implied threats are violent by definition.

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BellairBerdan

12:22 pm on Tuesday, February 14, 2012

I'm sorry but I said I wasn't going to coddle you. I have no problem defending what I wrote in the past, which amounted to saying the Libertarian in me doesn't believe that people who knowingly build in areas that continually flood should be compensated for their damages again and again without being required to place their residences above flood level. However, your quest to find out where I work and live in this discussion is a little sick and stalker-like.

Now you're advocating confiscating the books of the library, which the taxpayers paid for, to sell them to a private company and you're comparing paying taxes to being whacked by the mob. Your views on the Founding Fathers seem to be very selective. The Founding Fathers also allowed slavery, forbade the vote to women and many other things. Our country was founded on that. Do you advocate going back to all that too? I admire people that think outside the box to solve problems but not those that think outside the solar system.

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Tommy P

7:18 pm on Tuesday, February 14, 2012

You have the right to feel the way you do, I'll just agree to disagree. I truly couldn't careless where you work. It was still a simple question, are you on the public payroll or not. I am not. I agree with you that bailing out fools over and over who build in flood areas only encourages more fools and the rest of us pay and pay.

Sometimes analogies are not perfect, but the fact remains taxes are not voluntary and therefore come with an implicit threat of violence from the state (or municipality in this case). This is something if you read the federalist papers or works by Whitfield, Franklin, Paine, Ellsworth and others was at the core of why we declared independence. I'm guessing you didn't know NJ for example allowed woman to vote after the revolution.

You bring up slavery to discredit my point of view & to muddy the waters, but I am sure you know that I don't support that. You call my views "outside the solar system" and they may seem a bit alien to you, but they are not unique nor new. I suggest you read The Law, by Frederic Bastiat, its a short work which explains in detail how government sponsored theft may make it legal, but it does not make it moral. I suspect we agree on more things than we disagree on. I don't expect you to realize that my opinion maybe different, but that doesn't make it wrong, immoral nor irrational. If you think you can make a case otherwise, I am willing to listen and be convinced. I am not too proud to admit when I am wrong.

Bruce Knuckle

8:12 pm on Saturday, February 11, 2012

FL1985, Im not upset subsidizing anything with the library and I am glad you use it, as you know from being there, you are in the minority. In your own post, you list its demise...ebooks.

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FL1985

1:18 am on Sunday, February 12, 2012

I disagree. We use the library for ebooks as well. Their digital collection is great and vast. Why would I want to buy a downloadable book when I can get it from my local library? Just like I do not not need to own a hard copy that I can get from my local library, nor do I need to keep one stored on a hard drive when I can just have it disappear to return for another's use.

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11:21 am on Sunday, February 12, 2012

If you have children, or actually leave your computers for five minutes, you might comprehend that the library offers services that are not outmoded, and serve a purpose in the community. When I can take a device with me and read it on the beach without fear, when a child can look at pictures they hold in their hands as they do with a real book....libraries will never be outmoded by a Kindle or anything else. Besides the simple fact that you can not "borrow" a book on a device, but have to pay and download it for each reading, because it is keyed to the device and to do so you have to borrow the device itself. The library offers computers to the public, cultural services like art, educational programs, and reading materials that come from the past for researchers and students. Perhaps 100 years from now every book ever printed will be digitized and in some electronic form, but it will never replace the ability to function without electronics, or a computer, or a dedicated device for the spread of information to places without them, in societies where much of what we take for granted just does not exist - where there cell towers are few and far between. As for the ignorant that don't understand that society is more than commerce, and government is more than sweeping streets and picking up trash in front of their home, get off your butt and out of your little insular world; for the poor, a public library is a chance at education and betterment. Or do you begrudge that, too?

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FL1985

11:42 am on Sunday, February 12, 2012

For those that keep saying you can't borrow a book on device, please get your facts straight, you most certainly can "borrow" these items from the library. So let's see all you readers; stop buying ebooks for $7.99 to $9.99 per title and get them from your library for free. Save yourself some money and support your local library. Don't worry, you won't have to spoil your image and actually go to the library, you can still download it to your device.

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Stuart Pace

5:46 pm on Monday, February 13, 2012

might be time to somehow merge the High School and the Borough Libraries.

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Tommy P

9:03 am on Tuesday, February 14, 2012

Or we could just auction off or sell on Amazon both library's inventories. Then use a portion of the savings to retrain librarians to become computer teachers. We could save millions a year, while improving the education of our students.

FL1985

5:51 pm on Monday, February 13, 2012

It would just be the same tax, called a different thing.

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Chris Antonelli

10:23 am on Tuesday, February 14, 2012

The library is part of a county wide system. It would probably get subsidies considering it's one of the largest in the county.

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9:09 pm on Tuesday, February 14, 2012

Can we ask the borough to sell the portion of the street in front of "Paine's" house for profit? It's pretty obvious that he never leaves it. And citing the works of authors whose free reading you endorse making more difficult for others is a wee bit ironic. No more ironic than revealing that you have no reading comprehension, having claimed to have read them. Rather funny to have seen you at the council meeting, mistating facts, and complaining about the paving on your street at the same time while telling the Council to sell of the library, the Senior Center and the pool, all over a twenty-dollar increase in your water bill. But that's that fine, libertarian thought processes at work - convinced the government is conspiring to do you dirty at the same time driving on the public roads and highways, buying food from stores with health inspectors and drinking from the public water supply....

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Can't Believe what I read here

9:40 pm on Tuesday, February 14, 2012

Watching "Thomas Paine" tonight was amazing. First of all he obviously knows nothing about what keeps a town going. Services are there for the community as a whole. You might not use one service that your neighbor uses and your neighbor might not use another service that you use. It's called a community. Let's also pave a street because Public service did work and it is two different colors for a while. Crazy!! Then you have Adolpho who doesn't even live here thinking he knows Fair Lawn. Anyone else think that's strange?

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Tommy P

7:46 pm on Saturday, February 18, 2012

It's nice to see how loved I am, but I was not at the borough council meeting, I was on a 6:30 flight. Even if I wasn't heading out on a trip with my significant other, I wouldn't be there on Valentines Day or any other day. Complaining to elected officials doesn't work unless you show up in big numbers. Even then, it doesn't always work, nor should it.

There is a proper role for government, and things it should do. Maintaining a proper police force and other emergency services, maintaining common access, ie roads and sidewalks, providing for the education of children are a few that come to mind. Running social clubs, pools and libraries are not. While many folks may enjoy the later, it doesn't mean the government should do it. I enjoy target practice, does that mean the borough should open up a range for those of us who do?

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